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Which is sad. yeah, it is sad, it is sad, and when you think about that, the fact that we had to really use our imagination in that sense and look at a film and think, oh, ok, that is possible, but it was a film, right. whereas now, you can look at the likes of myself, maz, who plays at aston villa at the moment, you can now see it and i think that's the beauty of the difference that we've seen 20 years on, right, if we really focus on the positives. i know we've got a long way to go, but we're getting there. what parts of the film are especially relatable to you? it's gotta be the scene where...

They don't trust him. >> martha: because? >> because he has been in leadership for 14 years. everyone of those people have lived through that. they have bad experiences. if they were really, really being honest, they could tell you horror stories and disbelief and with passion and say i will never go there. i think what they have failed to do, the 20 though, you don't see their list of what they're asking for. what they're really issing for is not kevin. it's almost anybody but kevin. >> martha: that's why they keep moving the goal posts what they want is a different person. >> they all have d...

Candidate to be speaker and about 20 don't and the 20 are calling the tune. that's an interesting way to do business. >> bret: right. you're talking about 10%. 10% is controlling the rest of it. and it's -- go ahead. >> bret: it would be like if you had a football team with 11 members and all but the left guard and the tight end wanted to do one play and the those two wanted to do another and thought they should, you know, they should rule the day. in a democratic system, where votes are what are supposed to matter, it doesn't work that way. these -- and, look, chip roy says they haven't moved...

>> exactly. that's the problem. these people have not exactly demonstrated they want to be negotiated with. he's had a tough time find anybody to have a conversation with about these things. if i knew anything about the freedom caucus, they love the move the goal posts. so it feels like this could go on for a long time because you have a mccarthy whose strategy is built on longevity versus a group of people who have nothing better to do. it's what they've staked their credibility on is wanting to stick it out and they don't care they're upsetting their colleagues. they've spent their entire ti...

Some other consensus candidate? >> look. both steve and jim jordan have nominated kevin mccarthy. i expect them to stay in this. and, look, there's a point where you go from negotiation to a hostage situation. and 90% of the republicans that were voted into this majority can't be held hostage for the agenda of a very few. especially when there's been a lot of concessions towards that agenda. i think many of them were very good. but, at the end of the day, when asked what will it take and you don't have an answer, it just seems like it's becoming, i don't know, personal or there's not a real st...