Necessarily do? >> they won't. i mean, it's a victory in terms of the principle. in terms of evidence gathering, it's not really a victory, because bannon is going to continue to defy the committee. he has now paid a price for it, but it's quite clear that he's not going to testify. and i think this just underlines how difficult the committee's job has been. because he's not the only one who has defied the committee, and look how long it took to get to this state. at least nine months to get a conviction for a committee that is running out of time. as i say, the principle is important, but the...