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>> certainly the victim of a prosecution. so while don junior is getting his swag on, robert mueller is trying to decide whether to charge him with perjury for saying that his father didn't know about that meeting with the russian lawyer in advance. right now mueller, we can assume, has that phone record which tells whether trump junior was calling his dad while trying to set up this meeting. if he's got that evidence, trump junior has big-time exposure for perjury. >> ashley parker, if stay tuned in the president's tweet this morning is one book end, your reporting last weekend about the pres...

The sessions, he said, would be held in off hours in the white house, perhaps even over golf games. you know, gloria, you have seen these reports from pbs and elsewhere, quoting rudy guiliani now saying of the president it would be going too far to say he's going to sit down but it looks more hopeful than it did a day or so ago. is this consistent with what you are hearing from your sources? >> well, i spoke with one this this evening who said, look, there have been a series of communications between the trump legal team and the special counsel about this question whether trump should testify,...

Presidential testimony? one thing not on the table, according to rudy guiliani, a presidential indictment. which could leave it all with a report from mueller for the justice department and congress to consider. and then they decide just what to do with it. >> i think the american people will be frustrated in the end, because they're going to expect that he's going to sit in front of the cameras or issue 100 pages and give them like a story. he has to submit a confidential report. my expectation is mueller would like to submit that report in confidence, turn out the lights and go home and leav...

Nearby. and initially we were told, remember, of course, was right in the middle of the hillary clinton email investigation by the fbi, which overseen by the attorney general loretta lynch at the time. we were told, you know, bill clinton and loretta lynch, they were talking about their grand kids and about their golf games. abby: just a casual conversation. ed: fbi investigation didn't really come up. months and months later james comey said. this. >> i'm not picking on the attorney general, loretta lynch, ohio like very much, but her meeting with president clinton on that airplane was the ca...

Low-level people, coffee boy like papadopolous. that has broken down at every turn. one, we're talking about very senior president. the president's national security adviser here, his former campaign chairman manafort, deputy campaign chairman rick gates. two, lying is a federal crime and as evan perez has made the point on the air, one count, but about four separate lies. repeated lying we're talking about here. those lies are not conversations about golf games. these are lies about conversations about issues material and very relevant to this administration and to national security of this c...