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>> the problem here is not that you're guilty, it's that you don't have enough money? >> exactly. seems like money talks. if i had money, i would not be here. >> k.c. joy was sentenced to 15 years to life for killing maribel ramos. what do you think happened? >> i think she went to bed, and i think what he did is he got a pillow and smothered her. and as he's got this pillow over her face, she struggles a little bit. and i believe that's where he got the scratches on his right triceps. >> if mr. joy hadn't done that google map search, leading you essentially to the body, would he be a free man...

Wouldn't be here right now, i'd be out. >> the problem here is not that you're guilty, it's that you don't have enough money? >> exactly, money talks. if i had money, i would not be here. >> k.c. joy was sentenced to 15 years to life for killing maribel ramos. >> what do you think happened? >> i think she went to bed, and i think what he did is he got a pillow and smothered her. and as he's got this pillow over her face, she struggles a little bit. and i believe that's where he got the scratches on his right triceps. >> if mr. joy hadn't done that google map search, leading you essentially to ...

>> k.c. joy was sentenced to 15 years to life for killing maribel ramos. >> what do you think happened? >> i think she went to bed, and i think what he did is he got a pillow and smothered her. and as he's got this pillow over her face, she struggles a little bit. and i believe that's where he got the scratches on his right triceps. >> if mr. joy hadn't done that google map search, leading you essentially to the body, would he be a free man? >> if no other evidence came up, yes. >> he'd be a person of interest in a cold case? >> correct. >> maribel ramos graduated from college posthumously. he...

If i had money, i would not be here. >> k.c. joy was sentenced to 15 years to life for killing maribel ramos. >> what do you think happened? >> i think she went to bed, and i think what he did is he got a pillow and smothered her. and as he's got this pillow over her face, she struggles a little bit. and i believe that's where he got the scratches on his right triceps. >> if mr. joy hadn't done that google map search, leading you essentially to the body, would he be a free man? >> if no other evidence came up, yes. >> he'd be a person of interest in a cold case? >> correct. >> maribel ramos gr...

Years to life for killing maribel ramos. >> what do you think happened? >> i think she went to bed, and i think what he did is he got a pillow and smothered her. and as he's got this pillow over her face, she struggles a little bit. and i believe that's where he got the scratches on his right triceps. >> if mr. joy hadn't done that google map search, leading you essentially to the body, would he be a free man? >> if no other evidence came up, yes. >> he'd be a person of interest in a cold case? >> correct. >> maribel ramos graduated from college posthumously. her niece gisele, who maribel had ...