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Maybe it's now just boring health policy. joining us now is frank rich. mr. rich, it is a pleasure to see you. thanks for being here. >> great to see you, rachel. >> is obamacare starting to die as a political issue? is it becoming just policy now? >> i think it is becoming just policy. i think that as a political issue, it's still an issue in the midterms only because it's a proxy for republicans to rally their base because they hate anything with the name obama in it, so they don't need obamacare, they just have to say the word obama to get the sort of white, older base that is the republica...

>> the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill hr-4302. those in favor will say aye. those opposed no. in the opinion of the chair, two-thirds being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed. >> that was the whole vote. that was the whole vote. they did not do a roll call, people did not vote one by one with a yes or no next to their name, they did it on a voice vote so there was no record of how anybody voted on it. they just called it passed and president obama signed that into law last week. the associated press wrote it up this weekend effective...

Joining us now is frank rich. mr. rich, it is a pleasure to see you. thanks for being here. >> great to see you, rachel. >> is obamacare starting to die as a political issue? is it becoming just policy now? >> i think it is becoming just policy. i think that as a political issue, it's still an issue in the midterms only because it's a proxy for republicans to rally their base because they hate anything with the name obama in it, so they don't need obamacare, they just have to say the word obama to get the sort of white, older base that is the republican base that turns up in midterms out. but ...

And about the governor's alleged role in it specifically, but before now we had no indication that david wildstein had ever actually talked to anyone. he was asking for immunity but he wasn't talking. david wildstein is one of the two people at the very core of this scandal. he's the one who replied "got it" to the e-mail sent by bridget kelly when she wrote "time for some traffic problems in ft. lee." mr. wildstein said "got it" in response to that e-mail and he's the one who seems to have carried out that order which originated from governor christie's office. david wildstein's lawyer said p...

Country is dropping at a historic pace. the republican like sort of faux substantive critique is too many people are losing their health insurance under this law. more people are losing it than gaining it, sort of feels like that will be the last attempt they can make to attack it in terms of its policy impact. the horror stories are falling apart. >> right. they don't have the website as a prop and they don't have, oh, are we going to get to 7 million. that's over. that was easy to understand stuff. everyone understands a website that's messed up. they don't have that anymore. now they have a...