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Conditions or you have to have sort of a risky situation where you live, where you work, if you're exposed to covid, like a health care worker, or if you live, for example, in a nursing home. kate, you also mentioned mixing and matching vaccines. a lot of people have had questions about this. the bottom line is, this study shows that it was safe and that it really might be helpful to some people. let's take a look at what this study found. so this was a relatively small study, about 450 participants. interestingly, the folk who is got johnson & johnson did better when they got a moderna or pfi...

The people who got a second dose of johnson & johnson had a fourfold increase in the neutralizing antibody response. that's very good. but people who got a second dose that's a pfizer vaccine had 35 times the level of neutralizing antibody increase and who got moderna, had a 76fold increase. and so, i think there are a lot of people who got the j&j vaccine who are now going to be wondering should i get the second dose that's something different than j&j? and again, i know that's something that the fda and cdc will be discussing in detail but this study certainly points in that direction. >> so...

It looks like it will be approved for children, very likely. we'll have to wait and see. arthel: meantime you're saying the first and second shot that is safe for children? >> yes. arthel: what about those who got moderna and j&j what do they need to know? >> they need to have some patience. moderna has shown some data to the fda about boosters, showing how they will be he have city -- efficacious. they're not up for boosters, just the pfizer. as far as johnson & johnson, they have shared data if you get two doses of johnson & johnson you have 94% protection against moderate and serious diseas...

Administration and the cdc are hoping there will be more data coming very, very shortly for both moderna and j&j. j&j had a data release last week showing information around people who got a second j&j dose. so every day we're learning more and more about these vaccines, and while it's hard to be patient, patience is key here, but for those that are at highest risk, those over 65, those with immuno compromised systems and those that are on the front lines, they have to really kind of go forward with the limited data we have. and move forward with their boosters, which is good news that they're...

The centers for disease control and prevention and get their timely advice. but then the government officials really have to look across the entire landscape and weigh the benefits versus risks. and in this case director walensky looked at health care workers, looked at teachers and said, you know, they're our frontline workers so we feel the risks are so important that we need to offer them the benefit of the third shot. so it was a measured approach and it happens. it's sometimes rare but in this case it was not unexpected. >> so let's talk about all of the possible vaccines here. this is ju...