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No question, there was hundreds of thousands of people on the mall and many people were enthused. >> you make a very reasonable and rational case for why crowd sizes don't matter. then explain -- you did not answer the question. why did the president send out his press secretary who is not just the spokesperson for trump, he is also the spokesperson for all of america at times. he speaks for all of the country at times. why put him out there for the very first time, in front of that podium, to utter a provable falsehood? it's a small thing, but the first time he confronts the public, it's a fa...

Numbers like that. >> i understand this, what i don't understand is that that is not what yesterday was about. >> yes, it is. >> you did not answer the question. >> it's what his presidency will be about. >> you sent the press secretary to go out and utter a falsehood on the smallest pettiest thing. >> i don't think you can prove those numbers one way or the other. >> i don't understand why you did it. >> you know data well, chuck. i don't think you can prove those numbers one way or the other. there's no way to really quantify crowds. we all know that. you can laugh at me all you want, but i'...

Don't be so overly dramatic about it, chuck. you're saying it's a falsehood. they're giving -- sean spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. the point of it is -- >> alternative facts for the five facts he uttered. four of the five facts he uttered were just not true. alternative facts are not facts. they're falsehoods. >> chuck, do you think it's a fact or not that millions of people have lost their plans, health insurance and doctors under president obama? do you think it's a fact that everything we heard from these women happened under the watch of president obama? he wa...

Joining me now is the counsellor to president trump, kellyanne conway. welcome to the white house north lawn that will become a familiar place for you, i think. the presidency is about choices, so i'm curious why president trump chose yesterday to send out his press secretary to essentially litigate a provable falsehood when it comes to a small and petty thing like inaugural crowd size. i guess my question to you is, why do that? >> chuck, the president did many things yesterday and the day before that are very meaningful fo america. he signed executive orders to stop obamacare and all its pro...

Into the oval office and witness president trump signing executive orders. of course the senate just confirmed general mathis and kelly. and what happened almost immediately, a falsehood is told about removing the bust from the office. that is flat-out false. >> and it was corrected immediately. >> but why was it said? chuck, why was it said in the first place? >> i don't know. >> everybody is so presumptively negative. >> climb into the head of that reporter. >> oh, no, no, no. that reporter was writing on behalf of the press pool. >> i understood that. >> that falsehood got spread 3,000 time...