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Governance problems that there is corruption inside the church, that there are turf wars. one of the first things this pope has to deal with is the secret investigative report about the the vatican leaks. why did the cardinals believe that pope francis was the right man to clean things up? >> i think there are probably a couple of ideas that were going around as we were talking about who might be the next pope. who would be the best person to choose. one, when we talk about the church we also want to make sure that we distinguish it from just the operation of the vatican. i think we were conce...

It seems like the district failed to make moves that were necessary, maybe incremental steps and now they were left that thai had to use an axe and chop. >> that's exactly right, t.j. and one of the things -- one of the reasons this is happening is it's not economic in the way that most people would feel it to be in school cuts in their own towns. this is a district that has recently just several years ago had 32,000 students in it. now it has 17,000, a little over 17,000. so they've got 60 buildings for 17,000 students. the more appropriate size for a district with that kind of enrollment wou...