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This guy was ruthless. you talked to gingrich earlier about how romney playing hardball in the primary. he knows he needs to energize the right. if you pick up -- >> you're right. here's the question. does he want to share it? because if he wins this thing by picking a portman. portman's his guy. if he buckles to this pressure and picks a guy further to his right like ryan, he sort of shares the ticket with this guy. >> no, he's not. ryan's house budget committee close with bain and mcconnell. ryan shares the same persona of a governing pick. >> will he have -- >> romney likes ryan. >> then wh...

That. for a number of different reasons as far as the personality wise as well as portman having a great record on those issues and republicans love it. he would seem to be a natural. >> one thing people forget is that portman comes across as the governing pick. he would be an effective potential chief of staff on the ticket. >> clearly he is kind of like romney. comfortable that way. he is ready to be president. there wouldn't be a question about his qualifications to be a heartbeat away. the biggest rap and he comes from a great state, but is he dull? maybe that's not a big start. we had a l...

Election about mitt romney, let alone about mitt romney's -- >> the more boring -- >> running mate. they're, obviously, trying to get a good governing pick. rob portman, serious governing pick. tim pawlenty a go ahead governor of the state of minnesota. we know all his strengths politically. those will be picks good governing picks and neither would make any news. they both would past the test immediately of ready to be president. >> and they're both ready to be president. >> they pass the test immediately. the media, political elites would say these guys are ready to be president. no one coul...

Or down, he's going to make a governing pick and it's going to tap somebody he thinks can, "a," take over the job for him and he, "b," is personally come tortable with. if that is your focus, portman comes to mind, mcdonnell, pawlenty comes to mind. i think those three have a good shot. they may vet a woman, could be kelly ayotte. >> could be martinez. >> i think pawlenty could be undervalued here. very loyal to romney during the primary after he dropped out. has blue collar credentials romney doesn't and has more after relationship with the candidate and the candidate's staff than the rest of...

The ticket, conservatives would like it, which they really need. and george will points out no one knows the romney-ryan plan as the obamas have branded it better than paul ryan. so it's risky in that you're not going to be making an obvious pitch to the middle. but you are injecting a little bit of that reagan aura excitement. politico's maggie haverman with the more obvious top pick, senator rob portman of ohio. a governing pick. ohio is not optional for republicans. and number two, that surprised me, but i have warmed to the idea, her number two, tim pawlenty. comfortable with romney. that'...