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Mean, i think the u.s. has not said that it would act. it's saying that there will be tough consequences. well, you know, there have been tough consequences and yes the sanctions are very tough, but what does that mean? if the u.s. has already said that itself and nato don't want to get involved into a military conflict, then you're taking military conflict off the table and then that leaves a really long runway for putin to continue to keep inching up, to keep testing the west, so you really don't want to be in a situation where there's some red line that you haven't even determined and then ...

They can get some aid organizations in there, the red cross, doctors without borders, get some civilians out, that would be worth negotiating for, but again, his concern from the beginning has been, if he's negotiating with the russians and they're not doing it in good faith, is he just giving them time to regroup militarily. it's a very difficult line for him to walk, alex. >> cal perry live in lviv. thank you, cal, and please stay safe. joining our coverage now this hour is elise, contributing editor to politico magazine and professor at american university school of international business. ...