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Starting to realize governor walker's method was useful and will be helping to get our budget in balance and is definitely something that we will look back and say that was a good point where we finally got government spending under control. >> jamie: what actually happened to collective bargaining rights? there are critics on the side of the unions that say they were taken away completely. >> caller: as you know, across the country, half of the public -- half of the states currently have union rights for public employees and 1 out of every 3 workers who work for government across the country ...

>> are they trying to shut you down right now? is that what's going on? >> it's been what's going on all day long. this is not the opportunity to have a good discussion. we've seen my democratic senate colleagues flee state. i'd be happy to do it as long as they want to. i can guarantee you that when they return, we're going to pass this bill, get it moving forward and pass the budget with modest contributions. >> what about this proposed deal by the labor leader? he's talking about conceding the issue of pension and health benefits. if you let them stay as a union you can negotiate. are do yo...

Constitutional? >> he's administration. >> are you saying the constitution ain't no good in here? >> no. did i say anything like that? you're trying to get an argument out of me. >> i'm not trying to argue. >> it's not going to work. >> i'm not trying to argue. >> i'm trying to be decent about this and come right to this. >> i'm ready to go back to my cell, man. >> all right. there's your stuff. he's trying to make things a constitutional issue. it's not a constitutional issue. it's an administrative issue. all he has to do is appeal it through the grievance process. and let a northern regiona...

Down right now is that what's going on? >> it's been what's been going on all day long. this is not the opportunity have a good discussion. we've seen my democratic senate colleagues flee the state, not doing their job. i would be happy to stand on the debate but twhoent illinois with hopes of stopping prourg. when they return we'll pass this bill get it moving forward and show we can balance our budget with modest contributions from the public employees. >> what about this proposed deal by the big labor leader for public employees. he's talking about conceding the issue of pension and health ...

To allow them to have a grievance process. we need to have the flexibility, unfortunately, over the course of the past 20 years, they have shown until we have got to this point, they have never been willing to have any meaningful compromise. the time is now. 19 states already do not allow public employees to bargain, and yet they still have vacation, pension, good health care. there's no doubt about it. we can do that here, but we don't necessarily use the union with every single bargaining right in order to do it. >> let's go to another side of the argument. spencer cobbs. what state are you ...