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Russian efforts of russia. how quickly can they out-match what is an underperforming russian military, suffering severe consequences? it will be cutting off the bridges and the roads, so that russians have a difficult time resupplying ground effort. with all of that they still don't have effective systems for anti-aircraft defense. that will be a gap for them throughout this. >> ambar dortook a jab at nato. weapons removed for peace.

From further away still? would you characterize that -- >> i think the troops we are seeing moving away, that's their focus, moving away. we assess as we did yesterday that kyiv is still being attacked by bombardment, artillery fire as well as air strikes. as i said yesterday, there's still a majority of the forces that mr. putin put around kyiv are still there. as i said a couple days ago, they are largely in defensive positions. several days ago we stopped seeing advancement on their part. they were not moving closer to the city. from a ground effort there was no more advancing on kyiv but t...

>> and are continuing, as they are moving away, are they continuing to launch attacks on the city? launching artillery from further away still, would you characterize -- >> i think the troops, they are moving away but we assess as we did yesterday that kyiv is still being attacked by bombardment artillery fire as well as airstrikes. still, as i said yesterday, still a majority of the forces that mr. putin put around kyiv are still there. now, as i've said a couple days ago, they are largely in defensive positions. we several days ago stopped seeing any advancement on their part, not moving clo...

From further away still? >> i think the troops we're seeing must've away, that's their focus is moving away, but we still assess as we did yesterday that kyiv is still being attacked by bombardment. artillery fire as well as air strikes. they're still, as i said yesterday, there's still a majority of the forces that mr. putin put around kyiv are still there. now as i've said couple of days ago, they're largely in defensive positions. several days ago we stopped seeing any advancement on their part. they weren't moving closer to the city. from a ground effort, there was no more advancing on kyi...

Talk about the apocalypse to say that this is the final jihad. they captured an important area. the fact is, unless somebody joins the ground effort, unless there is in addition to the kurds, local armies with our advisers that take the fight on the ground to isis, isis will continue to grow. air forces, air strikes cannot recapture ground territory. that's the missing part of the puzzle, pete. >> absolutely. al baghdadi put out a message calling for more attacks against the west. you believe -- it's your sense that isis wants the west to send more ground troops to induce the fight or are they...