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Committee earlier today on the administration's failing isis strategy. joining me to explain his comments further is the general. general, welcome to the program. >> good to be here andrea. >> good to see you as always. general, why do you say that we are losing this war? >> well you know the president designed this strategy nine months ago. and we all had some general reservations about it at the time. but when you get right into it when i say the concept is flawed what i mean by that is isis headquarters all of its resources, its recruiting its training its logistics, its expansion in syria,...

Speak. some of the challenges associated with that is when those forces are out in the open desert, they're clearly easy pickings. when they're tucked in next to population centers, that's considerably more challenging and to facilitate that we would need some kind of ground element to distinguish the enemy forces from friendly forces and civilian -- to keep civilian casualties at a minimum. bill: so many, john mccain among them, saying we prevented a blood bath or do you think qaddafi was only going to go into the rebel-held towns and careo out attacks against the rebels? >> i think he was do...

Warfare warfare, these sorts of things. and we need to have a valid ground element, not necessarily what we're doing here. >> in real time, we have none of this information from gates. we got none of this information from rumsfeld. now gates tells us it was a mistake to go into afghanistan and iraq after we've already gotten in there, telling us now. we have rumsfeld telling us now there were no nuclear weapons in iraq, no attempt to build them, no attempt to buy them. no, nada, nuclear weapons. these guys tell us after the fact the facts. what do you make of it? >> in all fairness to secretar...

Country best serves by strong navy, technology, anti-penetration through cyber warfa warfare, these sorts of things. and we need to have a valid ground element, not necessarily what we're doing here. >> in real time, we have none of this information from gates. we got none of this information from rumsfeld. now gates tells us it was a mistake to go into afghanistan and iraq after we've already gotten in there, telling us now. we have rumsfeld telling us now there were no nuclear weapons in iraq, no attempt to build them, no attempt to buy them. no, nada, nuclear weapons. these guys tell us aft...

Of colonialism to stabilize and allowed their economies to grow. but what we have now really is a war against international terrorism that requires an enormous amount of maneuverability, and at the same time, we have the strategic objectives of the country, which are best served by strong navy technology, anti-penetration through cyber warfare, these sorts of things. and we need to have a valid ground element, but not necessarily what we're doing here. >> in real time, we've got none of this information from gates. we got none of this information from rumsfeld. now gates tells us it was a mist...