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The advantage for doing these type of capture -- first and foremost, is we want to capture these terrorists. we want to capture these bad guys because if we just kill them, we put a predator drone on it, and we kill them, there's no follow-on information for intelligence. so the best thing we always want to do is capture before we kill. >> the risk, i suppose the risk is what happened in somalia where they go in and don't get the man for sure. >> it is. it is much higher risk. but both of these organizations from the socom command element, these are the guys who conduct jason bourn tuype of op...

You had a ground force commander, the guy actually on the ground, who could see the target, would have had the authority to drop that bomb on his own. fast forward 14, 15 years, it would have to go through a litany of lawyers and you would have to wake people up in tampa and essentially get a u.n. resolution to drop a bomb. what this tells me is general nicholson did have all the authority that we needed and we weren't afraid to do what was necessary. and this sends a very large i think geo political message. but look, the reality of that physical location on the ground and those tunnels and t...

Have an interest in this. and it's very important that they do. because, mr. abaaoud is not only the ground force commander for isis in paris, but he may, in fact, be the amir, which is a regional commander that isis designates for their outer provinces. and he may, in fact, be in charge of all terrorist operations in europe originating out of belgium and france. so it's important to know, did he die in this attack? or did he escape? and if he has escaped, then you're going to see this manhunt play out again, all over europe. >> malcolm nance, thank you so much. malcolm who has been helping us...