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An anchor fragmented nation that will perpetrate terrorist crimes. >> we learned nothing from history to going to places where we have no business whatsoever. bill: thank you. martha: now there are reports the president is ruling out airstrikes although the white house is pushing back on that a bit. if the issue of ground intelligence is a big question, jack keane with his thoughts next. bill: dr. oz defending himself before congress. why senators are scorching him on the hill. >> if you spent time on your show telling people this is the seven things you should know. there isn't a magic pill. ...

That? let's just drop a couple bombs. >> reporter: president obama has ruled out troops on the ground, but can there be effective military strikes without putting some troops in to find out exactly where isis fighters are operating. >> i do believe we ought to put special forces teams on the ground. with the iraqi forces, certainly with the kurds in the north and also with the jordanians, they can provide some of that ground intelligence. >> joining me now is barbara starr there at the pentagon and retired army major general and cnn military analyst james "spider" marks. barbara, i want to sta...

Special forces on the ground. certainly with the pesh mur ga in the north and also with the jordanians. they can provide some of the ground intelligence. >> so now one of the most critical intelligence questions for the u.s. military is whether these isis fighters can make it all the way to baghdad and challenge authority in that city. some u.s. officials are telling us no, that the isis fighters will encounter very well trained shia-base security forces from the iraqi government and that they will be stopped. about you, but if they do make it to baghdad, if they were to attack the airport in ...

Survive for that long. right now for the next 48 hours, for the next seven days he has to protect the capitol and his army has to take back the cities he's lost. if he can't do that then no amount of assistance we can provide here will change the dynamics on the ground. >> bobby, that puts us on the same side as the iranian guard. >> yeah. >> so we've joined the side we've been fighting for this week. >> i don't think we can join the fight. it's the fight the iraqis have to fight and win. there's not a lot we can do. there's been loose talk of providing air security and drones. that's not goin...

>> if there's this wildly sort of wide disagreement in the intelligence community, how normal is that on something as important as this? >> reporter: believe it or not, it's actually fairly normal. it doesn't come as a surprise tosome of the intelligence officials who have been speaking with cnn. they point to osama bin laden operation where there was not uniformity on whether bin laden was actually at that compound. they say different agencies are looking at different pieces. the nsa is looking at the intercepted communications. the cia may be looking at their ground intelligence. military of...