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Whether the ukrainian armed forces would be able to resist a russian advance much more advanced military force, wolf. >> carl penhall, be very over there on the border between ukraine and russia. here in the united states and washington state, searchers are digging down through the equivalent of several stories of mud and debris and trying to reach. at least 24 people are dead and 90 others remain unaccounted for. let's go to george howl who is on the scene with the very latest. george? >> wolf, our cnn camera today got a first-hand tour of the mudslide there. the damage, the devastation. of...

Dogs, the police presence at public gathers, yes. i do. bill: this is a national debate that begins anew now. john ashcroft was the attorney general under president george w. bush. ceo of the ashcroft group and with me from his home state. sir, thank you for your time today. i'm curious for you to reflect, you were there in the beginning days 12 years ago. how far have we come? or how far do we still need to go? >> well, first of all, we have come a long way. with the coordinated efforts, things were pretty fragmented until 9/11 gal -- galvanized us and the creation of the department of homela...