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Horizon that will get us out of this mess? because we are spiralling down and i don't see anything out there to stop us. >> i tend to agree, can i throw this in here, not the technical definition of the recession. negative growth. >> that's basically six months in which the economy shrinks. that's the technical definition of it. that doesn't mean anything to most people. most people still think we're not -- you got your hand up. >> yeah, i don't know. you wanted to -- can you ask me the question that you asked eric. >> i forgot what the question was. >> can you think of anything on the horizon...

a.m. in london, 4:00 p.m. in hong kong. hello, i'm andrew stevens. >> i'm charles hodson, you're watching cnn's continuing coverage of the uprising in libya. history is unfolding today in libya as colonel moammar gadhafi's 42-year grip on power appears to be coming to an end. here now the latest. anti-gadhafi forces say they're in control of most parts of tripoli. the rebels caution there are still some pockets of resistance in the capital. colonel gadhafi's own whereabouts are unknown now, but there have been sporadic gunfire and explosions near his al aziz la compound in tripoli....

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Years of the most extraordinary fiscal stimulus we've had in our history and the most extraordinary monetary stimulus of our history. generally speaking when you get two years after the kind of fiscal and monetary stimulus we've had, you would have real creation of jobs. we are not having that. >> so, mr. forbes, your rendition of the -- what you think the economy, the state of the economy is, and if you think it is as bad as mr. zuckerman, why? >> well, we are having growth, but it's not nearly the growth we should have given the severity of the hit the economy took in late 2008 and 2009. jus...