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Doing the things we need to do to change the fiscal trajectory of this country. this country has two problems. it has a growth problem, and it has a debt problem. there's a way of actually addressing those problems together, but it involves adopting some pro-growth policies, making hard decisions, doing things it like tax reform, which both encourages growth and can produce revenues that lower the debt. that's the stuff we should be working on. it's a lot easier to work on those things when the debt ceiling is pushed aside for a while. >> all right. democratic congressman john delaney, thank y...

Seriously despite the pain it could cause for about 160 million americans. >> this is a manufactured crisis. we don't have a short-term deficit problem. we have a jobs and growth problem and we have a faltering recovery. we should put off the sequester. put off this grand bargain. come back. let the bush tax cuts expire. make sure the middle class doesn't have to pavement the schif a manufactured media drama. >> laura: wow, can you say out of touch? joining us now from new york is maxwell a democratic strategist and guy benson the political editor for "town hall.com." okay. this is quite somet...

Before. but they are certainly are necessary to come to some sort of deal here if we're going to get anything done before january 1. i think the bottom line is this: we do not have a short-term deficit crisis. i agree with katrina on that point. we have a revenue problem. and a growth problem. we have millions of americans out of work. that. >> laura: zerlina, you have to be better at math than that. >> i'm very good at math, actually. >> laura: 90% tax rate on the upper income level on the united states is a drop in the bucket. >> that is not what i said, laura. that's not what i said. >> lau...

Influence that they had before. but they are certainly are necessary to come to some sort of deal here if we're going to get anything done before january 1. i think the bottom line is this: we do not have a short-term deficit crisis. i agree with katrina on that point. we have a revenue problem. and a growth problem. we have millions of americans out of work. that. >> laura: zerlina, you have to be better at math than that. >> i'm very good at math, actually. >> laura: 90% tax rate on the upper income level on the united states is a drop in the bucket. >> that is not what i said, laura. that's...

Before. but they are certainly are necessary to come to some sort of deal here if we're going to get anything done before january 1. i think the bottom line is this: we do not have a short-term deficit crisis. i agree with katrina on that point. we have a revenue problem. and a growth problem. we have millions of americans out of work. that. >> laura: zerlina, you have to be better at math than that. >> i'm very good at math, actually. >> laura: 90% tax rate on the upper income level on the united states is a drop in the bucket. >> that is not what i said, laura. that's not what i said. >> lau...