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We know one thing from the thai radio report by the way. the report that came out today they said they did not enter thai air space. does that mean they weren't going north? i think so. >> unless you also -- there was also a report about another plane that had been contacted by authorities in vietnam to see if they could make contact with flight 370. to you, that's significant? >> yeah. my understanding is that that airplane was about 30 minutes ahead which is a fair distance. and it's difficult -- the procedure that i was explaining before we went on air was that if the controllers are expect...

That they decided to attempt contact with the airplane. that means, where are they? in other words in their head they're saying, where is this airplane? so the first attempt would be to contact them on the frequency they were designated to be on. then they would attempt on the guard frequency, which is the emergency frequency. after that they would try to relay through another airplane. so it indicates to me that maybe the problem was developing but for that other airplane, it's not uncommon to not be able to contact them as a favor to air traffic control to relay information. so they probably...

Russian war plane violated the air space? and if so, for how long? >> well, for a few seconds, we're told, they did cross into turkey. u.s. defense sources tell me that the actual radar track validate turkish claims. authorities released this map, the one you showed showing the path of the russian plane, u.s. pilots flying nearby i'm told heard the multiple warnings issued by the f-16 pilot totz russian pilots on the guard frequency. amanda tory radio frequency in all aircraft. >> we were able to hear everything that was going on. obviously these are on open channels. i'm sure there's others w...

Be on a frequency. there is a guard frequency which they should have monitored. 121.5. it is simple to broadcast a distress signal. the silence is deafening. that does not mean it is impossible for them to be overcome. i don't think it is that likely. i am more in the camp of a third person in the cockpit or both pilots were in on this. >> what do you expect on sun rise there? >> we'll have more information on what those pieces of debris are. we are hopeful. my family goes out to the