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And the pervasive notion that tackling this is bad politics. >> he's president and has huge priorities in both bodies and nancy pelosi and harry reid could bring this up at any time if they wanted to. >> bret: the president with the first major speech on immigration reform, speech devoid of specifics about guest worker programs, work visas, and other specifics that would have to be in a piece of legislation. what about this and the debate ongoing? bring in the panel. bill kristol, editor of "weekly standard." juan williams, news analyst for national public radio. syndicated columnist charles k...

We are here with jack and the cafferty file. >> exciting moment, isn't it suzanne? >> it is. >> the question this hour is can immigration reform be done without first sealing the border? jamie in arizona, border state, no, you can't reform immigration without sealing the border. i live in phoenix, and sealing the border needs to be the first thing done and then we can iron out guest worker programs, et cetera. i don't believe it would be fair to give amnesty to those who cut in front of those who respect our borders. annie in pennsylvania writes my first question is how does true border securi...

>> ship it around the ocean. >> bill: maybe. it takes the pressure off the people living in arizona border counties in tucson, know gal less, places like this. which is really what the immediate need is. i'm using my power as the president of the united states to basically make the border fence being built faster, and then back up the border patrol with the guard. now, as a libertarian, do you object to that? would you object to me doing that? >> yes. on several grounds. first of all, it's a huge amount of money, and even if you get 10,000 troops, assuming they don't work 24 hours a day, that'...

There. >> ship it around the ocean. >> bill: maybe. it takes the pressure off the people living in arizona border counties in tucson, know gal less, places like this. which is really what the immediate need is. i'm using my power as the president of the united states to basically make the border fence being built faster, and then back up the border patrol with the guard. now, as a libertarian, do you object to that? would you object to me doing that? >> yes. on several grounds. first of all, it's a huge amount of money, and even if you get 10,000 troops, assuming they don't work 24 hours a day...

>> ship it around the ocean. >> bill: maybe. it takes the pressure off the people living in arizona border counties in tucson, know gal less, places like this. which is really what the immediate need is. i'm using my power as the president of the united states to basically make the border fence being built faster, and then back up the border patrol with the guard. now, as a libertarian, do you object to that? would you object to me doing that? >> yes. on several grounds. first of all, it's a huge amount of money, and even if you get 10,000 troops, assuming they don't work 24 hours a day, that'...