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Have a choice. of either going back home or becoming undocumented. those two conditions render these guest worker programs terrible. >> this is the thing. people do come and make lives. we were just looking at the number of people in the country in a status we call illegal or undocumented. 50% of them are people who have overstayed their visas. they initially cross the borders in a status of legal or undocumented. but they overstay so does that help to address that? >> well, thanks, melissa. for us the real bottom line on any guest worker program is there be strong, strong labor protections. a...

Without border enforcement. >> bret: if you get agreement of the group of 8 have you hurddles to go through on the committee, on the senate floor and the house before it gets to the president's desk. >> that is true. it sounds -- it's not going to be that it won't be met with great challenge along the way. the way that senator schumer and senator graham described it, republican and democrat this weekend is that all of the substantive issues have been dealt with by the gang of 8. and that the last guest worker, most contentious provision had been worked out between these business and labor grou...

Worker program. big labor doesn't want that kind of guest worker because why, they wouldn't be union workers? >> that is the key to making this work going forward. getting in place a legal system for people to come so they don't come illegally. that works in tandem with securing the border. there is less pressure on the border if people are coming legally. >> paul: that is part of the border security solution. all right. thank you. remember those fat cat bankers, president obama blamed for the financial meltdown. one of them is about to be treasury-secretary. when we come back. we'll take a lo...

Big labor doesn't want that kind of guest worker because why, they wouldn't be union workers? >> that is the key to making this work going forward. getting in place a legal system for people to come so they don't come illegally. that works in tandem with securing the border. there is less pressure on the border if people are coming legally. >> paul: that is part of the border security solution. all right. thank you. remember those fat cat bankers, president obama blamed for the financial meltdown. one of them is about to be treasury-secretary. when we come back. we'll take a look at jack lew's...

Protection of our labor laws, of our wage and hour laws, and they need an effective way of enforcing it. that's not the way it works now. so i think what we need is open up opportunities and fill in where we need this. >> ruben, if i may, i just love the clip of ronald reagan that shows republicans at that point were to the left of where the democratic party, president obama, is today. that's kind of the orwellian twists and turns the immigration debate has taken over the years. i think part of the problem with the idea of guest worker is the very name guest worker. for people and immigrant ri...