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>> how do you do? a pleasure. >> the sentence was for the offense of disrupting an official proceeding. do you agree with that? >> obstruction. yes. felony. >> and in terms of the sentence the only real issue is whether or not you believe that your client is competent, meaning that it's not mental illness that made him do this. what is your position on that? >> no. this is not a competency issue. it's not a guilt issue. my client pled guilty. a court conducted and ordered a forensic psych exam. the determination was that yes indeed, my client had a very significant and long-standing mental hea...

It's not a guilt issue. my client pled guilty. a court conducted and ordered a forensic psych exam. the determination was that yes indeed, my client had a very significant and long-standing mental health vulnerability but was competent, just like the military in 2006 diagnosed my client with that same significant lifelong mental health disorder. only in 2006 their issue was is he fit for duty. >> right. >> and in 2006 they didn't tell my client about that vulnerability, that disorder. my client had a 15-year window where he could have gotten treatment, he could have gotten counseling, he could...

I just don't think this is a good idea. you know, because this is what we're talking about. we're now having to say this is not what he meant, he meant this. this was a mistake. this is how this is going to be. just don't go on television because we wouldn't have all this mess to be talking about in the first place. >> i don't disagree with you, sister. quickly, before we go,glen, this lying, not a legal issue? >> the lying is a legal issue and it's a factual issue and it's a consciousness of guilt issue. you don't have to lie if you didn't do anything wrong in the first instance. i appreciate...

>> right. >> ken, do we know, have a sense, an idea, of who else was in and out of the presidential cabin on air force one while he was drafting that statement? who he spoke to while he was drafting that statement? >> i don't have that reporting, mike. i wanted to make the point that it's -- i have spoken to legal experts about why mueller is interested in this, and it's not necessarily that it's a crime to have lied to the american public as mark pointed out. it's more a consciousness of guilt issue. when prosecutors look to see whether someone has covered something up, it's an indication tha...