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Mr. president you have to take it out and they'd take it out. what is most unnerving to people around government it stayed in. trump is ignoring what presumably would be obvious counsel from anyone who knows what he's doing. >> he did the lester holt interview and basically admitted that the reason why he fired him is because of the russian investigation which is what most people would consider obstruction of justice because there is a russia investigation into him. and then he tweeted that he had tapes. so obviously i hear you on that, but that is like evidence number 1,000 of the fact that h...

Would take it out. what's most unnerving i would say to people who have been around government a bit is that it stayed in. trump is ignoring obvious counsel from anyone. >> and he did the lester holt interview and basically admitted the reason he fired him is because of the russia investigation, which is what most people would consider obstruction of justice because there is a russia investigation into him. then he tweeted that he had tapes. so, obviously, i hear you on that, but that is like evidence number 1,000 of the fact that he is not taking any counsel from anyone and truly, if anything...

I'm going to kill her. >> death by suffocation is not quick, nor is it merciful. the grisly work takes five to seven minutes, the time it takes for a cigarette to burn down. and in each second of those minutes that tick by, as christie fought for her life, gutierrez had the option of simply letting go. >> and for some period of time where he made the obvious choice to continue, he could have stopped, and he didn't. and ultimately she paid the price. >> i don't believe he went over there to kill her. i never did. i never argued to the jury that he did. but there's a point in time where he made ...

>> so you want to get a lie on tape to compare it to other lies? >> compare it to the original statement, correct. >> but how and who would do it? loosening up art gutierrez after 13 years and getting him to come clean to a veteran cop hot on his tail, that was almost certainly a nonstarter. >> and so the idea that we had was to, let's try to bring in a couple of detectives. let's go with female detectives who are much less threatening, much more disarming. >> and, in fact, davis happened to know two women cops who seemed perfect for the job. savvy, cool, attractive, both had a knack for helpi...

He pulled out a .22 caliber gun he'd taken from his parents' home. >> what happened next? >> snapped. and i looked away, and i shot, and as soon as he went down, i started throwing brush on him, and then i took off. >> later, he says, he returned to the woods to get rid of the gun and to hide the body. >> how did the body become buried? >> i dug a hole and threw him down in it. >> so why did kerr wait eight days to come forward? eight days of anguish for jeffrey's family. because, kerr told police, that's when he saw one of the fliers roy jeffries' parents had posted all over the county, with ...