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Children. andy, go ahead and defend your new heroes at target. >> i sort of will. i agree with gavin they haven't banned open carry let alone concealed carry, which is okay. but they have respectfully requested that customers not do it. and i think that request should be respectfully honored at least by conservatives and libertarians that believe in property rights. just like it's hobby lobby opinion it shouldn't have to pay for certain birth control methods even though they're legal. i support the right of both. >> i think you should have a gun check at the store. leave your gun there, get a ...

Children. andy, go ahead and defend your new heroes at target. >> i sort of will. i agree with gavin they haven't banned open carry let alone concealed carry, which is okay. but they have respectfully requested that customers not do it. and i think that request should be respectfully honored at least by conservatives and libertarians that believe in property rights. just like it's hobby lobby opinion it shouldn't have to pay for certain birth control methods even though they're legal. i support the right of both. >> i think you should have a gun check at the store. leave your gun there, get a ...

Be disarmed, and the message that it should be harder to get a gun, doesn't fly in the real world. >> and larry, is that the message? john, is that the message, rather. is the message that the people should be disarmed and we should make it -- what is the message? >> well, first of all, i'm a gun ownerer and strong supporter of the gun rights burk i do not believe that the founders ever intended for the criminals, and the mental i ill or the international terrorists to come to the u.s. to buy guns in 33 states and thousands of gun shows without an i.d. or gun check, and thanks to the gun lobby...

Illness like that be able to purchase a gun? >> they should be committed, and if they should be committed, they shouldn't be at the naval yard. i've been in the system for 20 years. i said the system has been broken for 20 years and nobody listens. the nra supported the gun check because we thought the mental records would be in the support, we thought criminals would be in the system and we thought people would be prosecuted. we're in a situation now where the criminal records aren't in the system. the medical records, even those adjudicated dangerous are not in the system and nobody is prose...

Should someone who shows mental illness like that be able to purchase a gun? >> they should be committed, and if they are committed, they shouldn't be at the naval yard. i've been in the check business for 20 years. i said the system has been broken for 20 years and nobody listens. the nra supported the gun check because we thought the mental records would be in the support, we thought criminals would be in the system and we thought people would be prosecuted. we're in a situation now where the criminal records aren't in the system. the mental records, even those adjudicated dangerous are not ...