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Through congress because number one, the students are opposed to gun control and have a strong base that tends to people who try to do anything about guns. so we're at a stalemate now. it's hard to see how that breaks unless there is comparable passion, comparable energy in mobilization on the gun control side. and i will say that we have seen some changes in the last few years, the gun control side is getting worse. >> this is not acceptable. the fbi is trying to spend too much time with this. do you think if bob mueller is finding a career with this tweet at all? >> he has more powerful obst...

It has in a very pro-individual rights way. >> bret: is the mental health push, you know, that talking about this, something that they can get done with something else, and at least around the edges try to attack it? >> well, they've already passed some legislation that was pointed out, the 21st century that touches on mental health issues. you'll have the left saying this is just a smoke screen for the real issue, which is background checks. everybody retreats to their camps immediately. it's hard to see where the common ground is. >> bret: look at this deal. he gets the ar-15 legally. he buy...

Survey that found there's been a sharp drop since the year 2000 in overall support for gun control, the philosophical debate about gun control versus gun rights. back in 2000, 66% of americans thought gun control was more important than the rights of gun owners, today only 5 1% of americans come down on the gun control side, 47% on the gun rights side. why do you think that is? why do you think your side is losing the larger philosophical debate on this issue? >> well, i mean, this is one of those questions that comes out differently depending on how you ask it. there is no choice to be made b...

Convert it -- a semi-automatic weapon to an automatic weapon, that is illegal and ultimately i think it is best done by congress rather than administrative action. >> more broadly, there was a pew survey that recently found that there has been a sharp drop since the year 2000 in overall support for gun control. the philosophical debate about gun control versus gun rights. back in 2000, 66% of americans thought gun control was more important than the rights of gun own ers. today only 51% of americans come down on the gun control side, 47% on the gun rights side. wh why do you think that is? why...

>> shepard: thanks, john. let's go to a.b. stoddard. good to see you. >> good to see you, shep. >> shepard: this debate will come, those on the gun control side, are pushing for it today. their argument is there's no time like on the heels of a tragedy to keep another tragedy from happening. that's their position. >> they're making an argument that is reasonable that the time to talk about these things is when they happen and victims families are grieving and want something done about it. if this is a terrorist attack, we talk about ways to keep the homeland safe from terrorists. so gun contro...