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Upper peninsula, for example. you go to grand rapids, and you have a lo of conservative people in that area, many of whom come from a dutch background. they have very strong feelings about soecial issues. so michigan is a mixed bag. >> mike murphy was reminding me. the strongest state chapter is in the state of michigan. >> mm-hmm. >> in gun groups. nra. very strong. this is a place for his social issues. >> that's absolutely true. it's a state of many, many parts. i do think you have to try to project forward what's going to happen here in michigan in the fall as a result of the campaign. by ...

Bill the most successful gun control measure passed, i carried that in the house of representatives, and they said they are entitled to buy whatever gun they want. people think that. even a bazuka. >>shepard: people from my part of the country, down south, are scared of people from my new part of the country because they want to limit them and they do not understand why, and most of them, what they want to do is hunt ducks and deer on the weekend and they love it. >>guest: this is a problem and this is hardly just a problem in the gun area. the groups try to juice people up so they will send m...

Focused grassroots groups like shane belanger's. >> the right to carry, openly as well as concealed, every day. >> they want guns in every corner of american society. >> reporter: dennis henigan is the vice president of the brady center to prevent gun violence. he says the little gun groups and spontaneous meet-ups mark a new challenge to gun control efforts and to the nra. this is the virginia citizens defense league. they're not happy with the nra. >> they're the 800-pound gorilla. people are used to the name nra. and those not really into gun rights don't know better. and they think it's th...

Ago. justice scalia said the federal government has to recognize and keep the right to bear arms. this is so much broader. justice alito's statement today said all state and local governments have to recognize that gun ownership is a fundamental right. there are many, many more state and local laws about gun ownership than there are federal laws. the nra is a very aggressive, very successful organization. they will lead challenges. other gun groups will lead challenges. and i think anyone who predicts today that they know exactly where this is going to end is blowing smoke. i don't think anyon...

Ownership than there are federal laws. the nra is a very aggressive, very successful organization. they will lead challenges. other gun groups will lead challenges. and i think anyone who predicts today that they know exactly where this is going to end is blowing smoke. i don't think anyone done. >> i want to talk about elena kagan's confirmation hearings today. how did it go for her? >> i think it was a pretty predictable day. most republicans were hostile, arguing she was a political partisan, someone who had worked in the clinton administration, worked in the obama administration, who could...