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Cnn crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz, and chris, a former police chief in newtown, connecticut, one of the first to respond to the ementary school. we're going to have a conver this. starting with both of you because you are on opposite sides of the gun issue. but i'm sure you can each agree that what we saw, this mass shooting, all of the mass shootings, are unacceptable. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i don't think there's anyone out there in the country who doesn't think that mass shootings are horrific acts of evil we need to figure out ways to reduce. >> i think the frustrat...

Let's talk to one another. joining me is cnn contributor jennifer mesilla, founding staffer at traced which focuses exclusively on gun violence. stephen catale ski i gun safety instructor and firearms reporter for reloaded. com, cnn senior crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz is, and chris van jelly former police in newtown, connecticut, one of the first to respond of the 2012 massacre at sandy hook elementary school. and so we are going to have a conversation right now about all of this, and starting with both of you, because you are on opposite sides of the gun issue, but i'm sur...

And murdered five of his neighbors and now they can't find him. he himself deported with any guests. >> ainsley: they found his phone and his clothing. >> steve: bill found out the guy was in the country illegally. the murder is a big story, how many other news outlets are talking about it and he is in the state illegally. >> ainsley: they are not reporting he was here illegal, they are making it a gun issue. the numbers asked them to stop, our baby is crying and he loads the gun and goes into the house and shoots five of them, including a third-grade little boy. >> brian: another major story ...

8-year-old, 9-year-old being shot in the head, oh people being shot, by identifying their status. feeling the need to say, "oh, these were illegal immigrants that shot shot and killed." there's a callousness to it, just like sending illegal immigrants up to washington, d.c. on christmas eve and putting them outside of the naval observatory as they freeze outside, when they get off the bus. but, again, on the gun issue, too, again, just complete callousness. the cheerleader goes into the wrong car, she gets shot. a young woman drives into the wrong driveway, she gets shot in the back trying to ...

Insensitivity. rather than talking about this family that was caring for their children, a 9-year-old boy, instead of the basic humanity, he felt the need to label them in the most divisive way he can. we know what the politics of greg abbott are. we know what the politics of texas republicans are when it comes to the gun issue and immigration. for him to connect the dots there takes just one more data point of the cruelty, the brutality. i mean, i'm not telling you anything when i say that, for many of these politicians, cruelty is the point. he felt the need to insert that line into that par...