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At a gut level, of how additional charges or clarification can come to us when they can follow the financial trails. >> yes. it makes me think they have interviewed someone who's been there, they have someone on the inside or someone who's gotten them technical information or some sort of manuscript that allowed them to understand how the place was operating because it was a detailed indictment. >> knowing their budget was remarkable. clint watts, a former special agent. thank you for joining us and thanks from your service. i want to bring into the conversation my friend michael beschloss. ...

Agency, that's essential because it nails it down to who the identities are behind it. it's always why it's more difficult to track to twitter because you're not making purchases and you don't have to register the same way to prove your actual authenticity as a person with those accounts. so the financial backbone is probably what brought this down and makes it so definitive. >> makes it all -- i think it gives us a clearer sense, even at a gut level, of how additional charges or clarification might come to us if we can follow the financial trails. >> yes. it makes me think they have interview...

These back to the research agency, that's essential because it nails it down to who the identities are behind it. it's always why it's more difficult to track to twitter because you're not making purchases and you don't have to register the same way to prove you're an actual person with the accounts. so the financial backbone is probably what brought this down and makes it so definitive. >> makes it all -- i think it gives us a clearer sense, even at a gut level, of how additional charges or clarification can come to us when they can follow the financial trails. >> yes. . it makes me think the...

My heart is also broken for my fellow americans who now know movie theaters are not safe and churches aren't safe in schools aren't safe and office buildings aren't safe and now outdoor country music concerts aren't safe. it is hard to imagine the depravity necessary, frankly to take a single life in cold blood what to do with this person did is a level of wickedness and evil that is really hard to fathom. >> martha: you've touched on something that i think is really so frightening on such a gut level, this idea that there is fear in the country about doing all these things and then i wonder t...

Paris. joining me now is michael steel. the politics of this, because climate change, as the president cast it, is the enmy of all things economic, but the facts are not backing it up. >> it is very interesting point to make, because it is not about the facts and all about the politics. the president understands at a gut level after listening to the coal miners, the workers in wisconsin and elsewhere, that this is a sweet shot, but the argument is not about protecting the climate, it's about i have to get you a job today, tomorrow, and next week. >> so when it is about jobs, dropping the tempe...