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You talked before about are others going to join him? probably. probably they're going to join in opposition eventually. so just a couple more votes, every little person that opposes him, every person that opposes him is just going to chip away at that majority he desperately needs. >> jeremy, if he were writing this as a screenplay treatment, there would be a game of billiards and it would be mcconnell and trump. and mcconnell would say to trump, mr. president, you need to understand this. i need you to have your guy bannon just call off the dogs. because for all of his success, that's going ...

So i think the president backed off. steve bannon is looking at this completely different. he he is looking at that this is a transformational president and this is an incremental senate. >> who is helping who? cornell, a few moderates, the two women murkowski and collins from the different coasts, and i see renegades, rand paul, and you never know what he is going to do, and john mccain, the ultimate maverick. they're always going to be there. he has less than majority. it's not going to help to have the vp. he doesn't have the votes. and then he has this guy bannon coming along smashing wind...

Infrastructure. i think there's excessive regulation in some sectors. i think it's a very good idea to have tax reform. the tax code is too complicated and frankly corrupt. part of the problem for us in the media is trump attacks us so much all the time, we're the opposition party, third rate human beings. bannon says you guys should shut up and listen. i was trying to grapple with the fact that we have to be careful not to absorb and reflect that negativity. we can't mirror trump's hostility to us and we have to fairly evaluate his policies when we agree with them, we say it. when we disagree...

Would be this administration focusing on what got it there. i am a little kind of confused about why, what you point out you agree with -- you could point out the way he's been folding in corporate perspective on regulation and tax especially. that's new and being done at least in an overt way that could bear fruit. what aren't they focusing more on that in ststead of lighting fir fires? >> if you look at the attack on the media, what's the point here? every president after getting elected has usually tried to unify the country, has tried to say to the people who didn't vote for him, you know,...

For trump on the, we're weak, i'm strong. he's got this guy bannon in his ear who loves the idea of disruption. that seems to be the mandate thus far. it does not seem like he was doing anything in the first instance to bolster relationships. he was being disruptive. now we see a second wave of moves, nikki haley at the un, what we're seeing with what "on notice" meant. how do you analyze this? >> i think what's happened, and who knows, but it appears that professionals are now beginning to assert themselves. you have mattis at defense, very competent guy, tillerson at state, very competent ce...