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The defense of israel on this particular issue? >> for a guy that ran with rhetoric that the arab world considered anti-muslim. you brought this up at the table a couple days ago. sunni/arab leaders in the gulf states are looking forward to this guy being president. >> they're looking for him to be president on two different issues. they expect him to be tougher on iran. that's welcome news when it comes to the iran nuclear deal for the arab gulf countries. perhaps there's some light there. they were disappointed with the position that president obama took on the nuclear deal. but i think you'...

And that's the situation here. look, you know, there is conservatism that is about individual opportunities and freedoms, and then there's what this guy apparently -- i don't even call this conservatism. this is not what the conservatism movement or the party is about from my standpoint, but somehow we wrap our arms around it, and it always inve alwa alwayscomes back to bite in a very important way. and i think leaders like rand paul and others need to be much more careful and smarter about how you articulate these principles and how you allow people to attach them and adopt them that distorts...

About, you know, the constitution and his rights to be the rancher and defend his property when in fact legally he was wrong. >> right. that's it. i wonder if somebody like rand paul is going to sit back and say why does this keep happening? gop spokesman shawn spicer strongly disagreed. let's listen. >> the issue with clive bundy has absolutely nothing to do with this party. zero. he is a nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made inappropriate comments about what every republican needs to answer for. that ...

Offend anyone? the drama raises tough questions. why are people like bundy attracted to the conservative movement? and why do conservatives seem so willing to make them into folk hero, whether it's bundy or ted nugent or even the rodeo clown with the obama mask before them? these people seem to find a comfortable home on the political right, there's until they go one step too far. the former chair of the republican national committee. jonathan capehart, both are msnbc contributors. i'll start with you. i guess the question of this whole saga raises for me is the republican party, the conservat...