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I could never vote for the man. boom, that was it. never vote for the man. never considered it once after that. and it's so strange, there were so many people like lindsey graham who were still opposed to him. and actually the worst he got, the more they moved his direction because the more he -- he got closer to power. >> yeah. it's an old -- >> it's just shocking. >> it's an old washington story about being attracted to power. but i'm not convinced, tom friedman makes the argument that mike pompeo's behaving this way because he wants to be president someday and he doesn't want to ali alienat...

Guy who claimed his dadly took him to a vip doctor to get him a bone spur deferment, and on the day that donald trump graduated from his ivy league college, it was 40 young americans died while this guy was playing tennis and golf and chasing women during college. and he, he and his republican sycophants spent years guiding us through 9/11, a man who's knees that were so bad he actually unlike donald trump who was working to get out of it, he had to rehab himself so he could go fight in vietnam, a guy who was a war hero in vietnam and did remarkable things on the battlefield and was awarded

They are following the hearings somewhat or very closely. and, by the way, i expect some of the most combustible testimony is still yet to come. and we've seen that from the transcripts that have been released and certainly i think everybody is waiting for ambassador sondland's hearing because i think it will reveal much more about the nature of what happened in ukraine. >> guy's point about witnesses still to come, lieutenant colonel vindman today will be a powerful witness. couple more powerful witnesses. but the numbers alone that we've been talking about here this morning, the 60% or 75%, ...

That's just -- wham i supposed to do with that? what am i supposed to could with that? >> she's put you in a terrible position. >> no, no, she hasn't, she doesn't care what i have to say. let me muput it a different way what are you supposed to do with that? same with pompeo, who by the way, when pompeo was in congress, kind of liked the guy. you know why? because the beat on him -- the buzz about him was the same with me, which is don't even bother whipping them because they're going to vote the way they want to vote. tom stopped whipping me after about three months. he just came up to me, lo...

>> so you've got gordon sondland holding the phone out from his head because donald trump speaks to loud, which you might be able to testify to. >> loud talker. >> loud talker on the phone. and so now we've landed at the third line of defense, which is, yeah, this all might have happened but it really wasn't that big of a deal and we can't impeach in an election year, one more year, just vote him out of office. >> you know, if republicans have been smart from the very beginning, of course that's a big if, they would have just jumped to the end saying, yeah, it's really bad what he did, really ...