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Offense, the prosecution does not have to prove motor ofive but i don't think there's a dispute that they had some kind of relationship and let's be clear about another thing, he's not on trial for rape, so it doesn't matter and he's not charged with the crime of causing a pregnancy, so it doesn't matter that there was no dna match. it's only about his state of mind. the fact that he was charged and accused and under investigation for rape, because of what she told marine officials, that's a lot to make a guy crazy and angry. and let's not forget the most important evidence of all, it doesn't ...

That he's been as close as perhaps in the same valley as osama bin laden, and he told me about seeing caves guarded by men with rifles and walkie-talkies. and, you know, why guard a cave. that's what he bases it on. i don't think there's really any way to really know for sure, and i don't think he would say he really knows 100% for sure that's the case. >> a lot have doubts whether he's telling the truth, but you asked him directly. let's hear what he has to say about that. >> there's people out there talking smack, oh, he's crazy or this or that. you know what, those are the people sitting on...

This or that. you know what, those are the people sitting on their [ bleep ] talking [ bleep ]. >> i mean he's certainly got the spirit behind him. does he feel like he is a true patriot? he's actually serving this country trying to go out on his own and rambow-style kill osama bin laden? >> yeah, i mean, he does. and listen, you know the question on a lot of people's minds is this guy crazy and i really -- i wrote on the plane from him from los angeles to denver and i do not think he's crazy. i think he's an unusual guy. he'd be the first to admit it. he has a larger than life personality but...

Crazy? i rode on the plane with him and i don't think he's crazy. he's an unusual guy. he would be the first to admit it. he he re minds me of a guy from another time like out of a novel or something on this big adventure. he also said people climb mountains, jump out of airplanes, sail around the world just to say they have cone done it. he says what he's doing is for god and country and there is even a big reward. he doesn't think what he's doing is as crazy as what other people do for kicks. i don't think he's crazy, drew. >> all right. thanks, jim. exclusive interview with the osama bin la...