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Observe trump, he's almost a case study on pseudotransformational leadership. he makes short term goals without thinking about long-term repercussions. >> that's scary. >> it is very scary. i don't disagree with you. it's not a good thing. >> like if we do a surgical bombing of north korea, something might conscious sequenceal. how does he know this stuff without having an ambassador to south korea? >> he doesn't feel like he needs one. >> shermichael -- so much more nervous now. >> stephanie, you're up. this guy doesn't want to defend. >> i mean, it is undefendable. it's undefendable. i often...

The difference about this is it's no jose canseco moment where he says, a-ha mark mcgwire you did this and these other guys that are cheating. this guy doesn't want to be in the middle of it. it happened in vancouver, so he's not subject to american laws or protections. >> i wanted to say this. when you look at the thing from top to bottom, we've had so many athletes, armstrong, sammy sosa, mcgwire deny it and later we find out that they really lied to us. that's the problem here. but once again, show me the proof. >> really quickly, we've got about a minute left. what is the state of the nfl ...

The difference about this is it's no jose canseco moment where he says, a-ha mark mcgwire you did this and these other guys that are cheating. this guy doesn't want to be in the middle of it. it happened in vancouver, so he's not subject to american laws or protections. >> i wanted to say this. when you look at the thing from top to bottom, we've had so many athletes, armstrong, sammy sosa, mcgwire deny it and later we find out that they really lied to us. that's the problem here. but once again, show me the proof. >> really quickly, we've got about a minute left. what is the state of the nfl ...

Killer. >> we wanted to make sure he was never tipped off about the real reason we were there to talk to him. the whole idea was to get him talking about green river and what he would say is basically what he was doing as a killer. >> this is a tape recorded interview between bob keppel, and ted bundy. the date is 11-17-94. one of the reasons that piqued my interest is some of your specific information about dump sites. obviously you might have some special knowledge that you think may give assistance in that area. >> well, first of all, he's trying to dispose of the bodies so they won't be fo...

Could get moving on another front and energy. >> first of all. i love the new segment we tell people where the jobs are at. that is good. steve, don't overdo it on the administration. they don't want to send us back to the dark ages. i will make a prediction that the president will approve the pipe line. >> you have to look at rules and regulations . >> now you are backing off? >> hold on a second. >> he knows there is more than one way to do it. >> in defense the president has not pulled back on how much he was against carbon energy. his appointments in the field and with the energy secretary...