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And by that i mean, i've been involved in cases in my career where behavioral profilers came in and said this behavior describes this kind of person, this is the guy you're looking for. then when we catch the guy, in bonl of t both of the cases i'm thinking about happened to be serial bombers. it turns out when you sit this guy down, you get bizarre notions that don't attach to reality, and none of the rules apply to behavioral assessment. here's why i'm saying this. when he with see the president act out and we think this is the act of a guilty man or these are the acts of a fearful man, only...

Holding everyone to the law. maria: did michael cohen perjure himself again because a couple of times he said things that some of you colleagues on the right are saying look that's a lie like he said he didn't want a job in the white house. he said he's never been to pragu e, that's what the dossier said by the way. >> well i believe him because he has no reason to lie. right now as you know he's going to jail. maria: right. >> partially because he lied to congress, and he would gain nothing by lying to congress again except increasing his term in jail. maria: so how do you justify bringing a ...

We hear you loud and clear. we've got the three of us here outside. >> you guys hear me? sorry, we were disconnected here standing outside with brian. if you guys can hear us, shimone and brian -- there were several bombs. so the call that was placed said that there were about five bombs placed inside the building. and as a result -- going into the building, searching, they have not found anything yet. given what we've been through already. >> october 24th, there was a guy down in florida and some of the bombs -- and then there was another bomb threat in atlanta,

Ongoing. >> we're working on the technical parts of this. don't worry about us. we don't want the story to be about us, by the way. this is the least desirable situation for a television network when we would like to be on the air in our building. but i know it was kind of abrupt at 10:35. going on to taped programming. i had to e-mail what happened, don and now you know. >> 10:35. it happened about 10:15 is when the call came in. by 10:30 we had been evacuated out of the building. >> you went to a local hotel or a restaurant and just waited. >> we stood in front of the building initially beca...

So i think that the awareness is more, but again, where is the enforcement? and where is the tone being set by the top? we've not heard this president, not mention it one time, not one tweet. nothing. we still haven't heard him congratulate the black young man that went in unarmed in the waffle house in nashville and took a guy down that had an ar-15 and killed four people. talking about waffle house. president, utter silence. so what tone does that set to those that do practice bigotry and bias? >> thank you for coming to my set and setting the tone that i welcome here, my friend. >> thank yo...