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So what you do is resurrect the crowd on the right. and that includes both the anti-abortion people, the anti-gay marriage people, but also the birthers. the secessionists, the militia. basically the marginalia of the religious right and social right in the republican party. dave carney and the rick perry team believe that mathematically, that that is their only way. if they can coalesce all of these disparate interests who are not the mitt romney folks and there's no better way to do that than fall under the spell of the donald, and to start talking about birtherism. >> ah! let's go to david ...

Best to reduce the burden on middle income americans. >> well, mike feldman, before we get to you, we should put this in perspective. keeping up with mitt romney's changes of mind requires a real historian's touch. and there you heard him say, i love the flat tax. keep that in mind, i love the flat tax. back in 1996, romney paid $50,000 for this newspaper ad, wherein he attacked the steve forbes' flat tax proposal as a tax cut for fat cats, calling himself a concerned citizen. he said the flat tax was a bad idea for the republican party. it's very hard to keep up with this turning wheel called...

It's worked because people know that they get a fair deal. they know what they're supposed to pay and it leads to economic expansion. and that's the one thing this country needs right now is economic expansion, not this politics of envy. >> i sure as hell hope he catch up to lithuania. i mean, john, i have to tell you, there's been a progressive tax in this country under reagan, under roosevelt, under every -- under eisenhower. >> and look what it's done. it's screwed up -- >> we've been the most successful economy in the world. right now we're having a hard time. whether you change your tax s...

Fema right before katrina. he had the good -- >> no, don't -- >> -- to leave and become a private consultant. >> the interesting thing -- >> great job, brownie. >> the guys that rick perry picked up, a lot of them worked for rick scott, the governor of florida. now, remember, rick scott was head of a company that was charged $1.7 billion in fines and damages for defrauding medicare. and they got that guy elected governor. so if i were mitt romney, or somebody else, and saw these guys coming into rick perry's camp, i would say, maybe this guy does have a second chance here. we ought to be worri...

Loopholes, because loopholes is what are killing this country. >> john, feehery, we're not going to talk about loopholes, we agree we don't like them, they're fat cats. but keeping up with this guy, you need a stopwatch. you shouldn't have to wait until friday to figure out what he meant on tuesday. thank you, john feehery, thank you, michael feldman. up next, michele bachmann has got a plan on what to do with all those sick and poor people after she repeals obama care. she sounds like ebenezer scrooge before the three ghosts arrive on christmas eve. wait until you hear this! put them in a p...