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Needed to do in order to keep control of the group, and he said it was necessary. and he put it under the terminology of catharsis, this is what we need to do in order for discipline, to keep things straight. >> i believed that the ends justified the means. that was it. so if somebody has to get paddled 40 times in the butt because we're going to have this great utopian society 100 years down the line, then so be it. that's what needs to be done. >> as temple defectors revealed one horror story after another to the reporter, the contrast with jones' humanitarian image defied belief. how do you...

Michigan has been a state. >> thank you for having me again, rachel. since i spoke to you last week the trees are still at that same height. >> eventually they will outgrow their perfect height and michigan will have to address that crisis since that is obviously the source of michigan's strength. >> we will have to, yes. >> we are on the eve of the primary. how is the the two leading candidates in the race are are both on the record as being against saving the state's most important industry and they are unrepentant about it? >> i have come to the conclusion that they are are in a race with e...

Since i spoke to you last week, the trees are still at that same height. >> eventually they will outgrow their perfect height and michigan will have to address that crisis since that is obviously the source -- >> we'll deal with it when we have to. >> we're on the eve of the michigan primary. how is the two leading candidates in the race are against saving the state's most important industry and unrepentant about it? >> i have come to the conclusion they are in a race with each other to see who can get the least number of votes from the michigan citizenry. i think it's the most bizarre last co...

>> that's correct. thank you for having me again, rachel. since i spoke to you last week, the trees are still at that same height. >> eventually they will outgrow their perfect height and michigan will have to address that crisis since that is obviously the source -- >> we'll deal with it when we have to. >> we're on the eve of the michigan primary. how is the two leading candidates in the race are against saving the state's most important industry and unrepentant about it? >> i have come to the conclusion they are in a race with each other to see who can get the least number of votes from the...

Needed to do in order to keep control of the group, and he said it was necessary. and he put it under the terminology of catharsis, this is what we need to do in order for discipline, to keep things straight. >> i believed that the ends justified the means. that was it. so if somebody has to get paddled 40 times in the bottom because we're going to have this great utopian society 100 years down the line, then so be it. that's what needs to be done. >> as temple defectors revealed one horror story after another to the reporter, the contrast with jones' humanitarian image defied belief. how do y...