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Was saying is if you're in a crowded situation and a lot of people in the room. law enforcement backs that up, right in the greatest thing to do is to rush the gunman if there are a lot of people. this was a one-on-one situation. it's so easy to take -- i know it was radio for me, and i know the media is having a field day with it, but dr. ben carson is a complex human being. he does not follow the rules that are set forward by people who are in his position. he just speaks from his heart and says whatever is there. so, it was interesting to hear. what was more disturbing than him saying that ...

The call for further unemployment benefits tells us where we are on the other. >> president obama says you can have both, an improving economy while keeping this safety net in place. however, what is missing is what i said before, the fear of debate. you should want to have the discussion based on research, the research saying that if benefits are extended, so goes unemployment. you have to have that discussion or it's never going to change. >> they don't want to. if you ask to have the discussion, you're pegged as mean-spirited and uncaring, unfeeling party. >> which i am, by the way. >> okay...

They don't want to use it so they go to the bank to get it. >> it's grim that small businesses aren't getting revved up more. i don't know what the problem is. we need something. >> we to. we need access to capital and to be able to build on infrastructure in this country. it helps the country. it helps us at small business. it helps the average guy making 40 to $60,000 a year. economy. those guys will spend money, buy houses and cars. >> i still think -- i have to go, but that's a stimulus bill and it may be a hard sell. i know some say that it rescued us. a lot of people say, you know, it di...

They don't want to use it so they go to the bank to get it. >> it's grim that small businesses aren't getting revved up more. i don't know what the problem is. we need something. >> we to. we need access to capital and to be able to build on infrastructure in this country. it helps the country. it helps us at small business. it helps the average guy making 40 to $60,000 a year. it spur it is economy. those guys will spend money, buy houses and cars. >> i still think -- i have to go, but that's a stimulus bill and it may be a hard sell. i know some say that it rescued us. a lot of people say, y...

Football season. >> this sort of sociopathic behavior, the denial, the denial, punishing of those who would seek to expose the crimes. what is that? >> evan, look. i think evan touched ton well. you think the way they are designing these drugs now, is it going to be better? will these guys be able to continue to escape scrutiny or has major league baseball mastered their testing pe ining techniques. >> the scientists and the chemists are always going to stay ahead of everyone else in terms of people tested. as long as there are new performance enhancing drugs and as long as a guy making over $...