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Grave entitlements, scandinavia, france, holland. there is a sub class of people that say, hey, i'm not going to work. there's not that many of them. here we have a nation of 320 million people, and if you get 20% like that, that's 64 million that you have to support. that's what i'm worried about. >> and the alternative is not let people suffer. before we have the trillion dollar welfare state, we had private charities that were better at saying this guy needs help, this guy needs. >> you'll get an argument about that from the social scientists and social justice people. they'll say the state...

Grave entitlements, scandinavia, france, holland. there is a sub class of people that say, hey, i'm not going to work. there's not that many of them. here we have a nation of 320 million people, and if you get 20% like that, that's 64 million that you have to support. that's what i'm worried about. >> and the alternative is not let people suffer. before we have the trillion dollar welfare state, we had private charities that were better at saying this guy needs help, this guy needs. >> you'll get an argument about that from the social scientists and social justice people. they'll say the state...

>> when did you start drinking again, mr. mayor? >> did you ever stop drinking? >> don't you need help, mayor ford? >> i've answered all the questions. >> no, you didn't. >> for more on the story we're joined by daniel dale. listen, it's easy to make fun of him, daniel. this guy needs help. >> well, you know, he and his family say that or have said that he doesn't need help, but he needs to lose weight and just get himself on the right track but that he doesn't have a serious medical problem. >> in this video, i listened to it over and over and i know he's speaking in jamaican creole but he do...

Building because everything was locked up. i came out and everything was filled with ash. >> can anybody hear me? i'm a civilian. i'm trapped inside one of your fire trucks underneath. >> stand by. there's people close to you. >> i can't breathe much longer. save me. i'm in the cab of your truck. i can barely breathe. please send somebody. >> what happened? you were right there at the building? >> yes. >> you all right? >> a lot of people trapped. >> emt. >> this guy needs help. >> can you talk us to a minute to tell us what you saw and heard? how you feel? you all right? >> naw, not at all. >...

Was filled with ash. >> can anybody hear me? i am a civilian. i am trapped inside of one of the fire trucks underneath. >> stand by. >> i can't breathe much longer. save me. i am in a truck. i can barely breathe. please save somebody. (sirens) >> what happened? you were right there at the building? >> a lot of people trapped. >> emt. this guy needs help. >> can you tell us what you saw, what you heard. how do you feel? you all right? >> no, not at all. >> i feel bad approaching these people. they are covered. they are obviously in pain.