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Witness stand. >> yes, and if you're going to basically say that the emperor has no clothes here, the government has a lousy case, then you make that statement by saying look, we'll do the minimum we need to. this is a lousy case, we're not putting our guy on. what john edwards said about taking responsibility for his bhaf is what he said just before the trial started. he tried to send that message then saying don't judge me by my personal life. make your decision based on the evidence of the law. >> i thought the prosecution, it wasn't great in the o.j. simpson case, their mistake was letting...

Open which is something he wanted to close. >> the president is a pragmatist. i was surprised at level of rolfment lookirolf me involvement of kill lists, who is staying, who's going. >> brennan makes the recommendation. despite 10,000 words there's no evidence they said, no, i disagree with you, we're going to take this guy off or put this guy on. that's what i learned from the story, how over to the degree to which john brennan really is running the terrorism for the president, but running it. >> jamie ruben, a pleasure to have you on. thanks for your time. after the break, joint talks. a co...

I think that's kind of high. >> he has been there for years. >> he has done it every year. >> he has been doing this for awhile. >> bill, here is the thing. shouldn't he be allowed to attend the convention for any other reason that he is awesome. >> we need to fill the a-block every night. that's an entire week right there. at the very least we should get this guy on. we are asking questions about what this says about judd and what this says about obama. and we haven't asked the most appropriate one. what does it say about west virginia? >> don't call him a red neck. >> he says it is embarrass...

Obama, ain't it? i love dave matthews. well, dave matthews had a couple of good hits. we respect him in the hood. >> really? >> we do. >> what is the hood? >> who is the gay on -- who is the guy on -- the band. >> i don't remember his name. they supported that dude, and we support dave matthews. everybody is like, dave matthews is rocking. i'm like, yeah, he is rocking all right. >> sherrod, as always thank you for your psa against stereo types. >> i don't pick black people. there are three. >> and they are all on stage. >> come on, this is america. >> not dave matthews. >> isn't dave matthews...

>> he has been there for years. >> he has done it every year. >> he has been doing this for awhile. >> bill, here is the thing. shouldn't he be allowed to attend the convention for any other reason that he is awesome. >> we need to fill the a-block every night. that's an entire week right there. at the very least we should get this guy on. we are asking questions about what this says about judd and what this says about obama. and we haven't asked the most appropriate one. what does it say about west virginia? >> don't call him a red neck. >> he says it is embarrassing for obama and our great s...