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Shakes out of that mix. but i do believe this will be a firewall and i think the voters of south carolina, our primary voters, are typically a good blend of conservative mix. we'll see exactly what happens in a couple of weeks. >> without the results from iowa yet, we're seeing that santorum is it finally putting up ads. he spent almost no money but now is putting up ads in south carolina. what do you think about that whole firewall concept? >> well, i think it is a good concept and santorum has been very many, many times. i think he has some retail network. i think gingrich has done the same ...

It's finding somebody else to run for you besides a conservative republican. nobody believes mitt romney is a kuhn serve tiff republican. >> now they're on rick santorum. do you think it's just his turn? there does seem to be some enthusiasm for him from what i'm reading. he's drawing big crowds,ed people there are very excited about it. >> yeah. i guess we went to the wrong events. the last couple of daze we've been -- yesterday we went to a couple of santorum events, actually, the day before, there was no one interest. there were seven people at one and 12 at another. all this excitement abo...

But i do believe this will be a firewall and i think the voters of south carolina, our primary voters, are typically a good blend of conservative mix. we'll see exactly what happens in a couple of weeks. >> without the results from iowa yet, we're seeing that santorum is it finally putting up ads. he spent almost no money but now is putting up ads in south carolina. what do you think about that whole firewall concept? >> well, i think it is a good concept and santorum has been very many, many times. i think he has some retail network. i think gingrich has done the same thing, as has perry. rom...

>> isn't he? tell me if i'm right or wrong here. >> you're wrong here. >> he believes in everybody getting a welfare check and the rich doing all the work and not getting to keep their money. >> in the republican caucus context i think you're seeing an example of dog whistle politics where republicans understand what he's talking about there. i mean, those are words that republican caucusgoers understand. it has to do with the role of government, the knock against obama about the expansion, of the size of the federal government. it speaks to a lot of thashz really matter to this electorate par...

Believe in hiring illegal immigrants >> he doesn't believe in hiring illegal immigrants period. of course, if you are running for office of any kind you are certainly not going to hire illegal immigrants, period. that's governor romney was expressing some frustration at the ridiculousness of the charge. megyn: i have got to go to your counterpart. thanks for being here. next time we'll do it. joining me now is ray sullivan. senior advisor to the perry campaign. i want to get your response to russ' guy romney putting hands on 0 governor perry in this exchange. watch it. >> i'm look forward to f...