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This is political guerilla warfare and it's lawlessness. >> you don't think that the administration's in the middle of this? you don't think the white house is in the middle of this? >> they've already admitted it. >> you have the irs targeting conservative groups, tea party groups and any person critical of the white house. what would you think? i mean, give me a break. but to the extent of how far it goes and how far up it goes, the evidence has to come in. >> karen, let's just take the logic of his sentences. i'm entitled to -- you can't have an opinion on everything that's worth everything...

Political warfare gone amok on behalf of the administration. i'm entitled to an opinion that this is political guerilla warfare and it's lawlessness. >> you don't think that the administration's in the middle of this? you don't think the white house is in the middle of this? >> they've already admitted it. >> you have the irs targeting conservative groups, tea party groups and any person critical of the white house. what would you think? i mean, give me a break. but to the extent of how far it goes and how far up it goes, the evidence has to come in. >> karen, let's just take the logic of his ...

Goes and how far up it goes, the evidence has to come in. >> karen, let's just take the logic of his sentences. i'm entitled to -- you can't have an opinion on everything that's worth everything. i can say the moon is made of blue cheese. that's my opinion. here's a guy saying i am accusing the white house of intervention of the irs screw-ups over there, the targeting of the tea party and patriot groups. of course, i can't tell you any information, i have no evidence, but it's my opinion. >> this is the same man, as chairman of the wisconsin gop, was implicated in a vote caging scandal which w...

I think they're more liberal and mainstream than they've been because the right has moved so far to the right they don't want to see government doing anything. and that's not -- i don't think that's what the -- >> and this is a nonpartisan assessment. the democratic party is where they've always been. in some cases moderate than others. the republican party, however, has moved from a center right party i believe towards the rightist party much more so. >> over the last few years. it's also true this speech represented a shift for obama. just a few months ago he was in ohio competing with mitt ...

>> over the last few years. it's also true this speech represented a shift for obama. just a few months ago he was in ohio competing with mitt romney who could love coal more. he wasn't talking about gun control during the campaign. now he's talking about gun control. he's started spinning forward. >> he never played the luddite role. romney talked about switching positions. went from a guy saying of course there's global warming problems to i don't believe it. right? that was a battle on the campaign between a guy who believed in global warming and a guy who denied it. >> well, he denied whet...