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That's not what happened. so what did happen? >> i think those of us who have been following these stories, we perhaps have become too cynical. we have become used to the fact that, well, of course people around donald trump lie, of course they get rewarded for cooperating by robert mueller. and judge sullivan, who is not involved in this day to day, said wait a second, this guy should not get away with lying to the fbi given who he is, given his background, given the stakes here, and robert mueller shouldn't be so quick to reward him for cooperating given the magnitude of his crimes. now, it ...

Boy. mike was a brilliant soldier. he did terrific work in afghanistan and iraq. there's no taking that away from him. he can be proud of that. but he needs to be ashamed of what he did afterward and he needs to be punished for. and there's a saying in the military which i will clean up for the television audience. one aw shucks cancels 100 atta boys. >> colonel ralph peters, i appreciate you being with us. and thank you for cleaning it up. a bit more on judge sullivan's background. he's been appointed to several seats on the bench first by president reagan then george w. bush -- george h.w. b...

Shut down the foundation. >> that only happens when a state attorney general concludes that there has been a total absence of governance, that it cannot be retrieved, that there is no public good that would be served by continuing the life of the foundation. >> morocco owens, norm eisen, thank you for being with us. let's check in with chris cuomo for cuomo prime time. >> a good conversation. it goes a step further. not only is trump settling, shuddering, he may agree to be shunned. one of the this things new york ag wants is for him and his kids to not sit on the boards of charities for diffe...

Judge sullivan was looking at this much differently than people have on television and elsewhere. jeffrey toobin, kirsten powers, rick santorum, thank you very much. next stop at the white house. more on how this is playing out there. later the end of president trump's charity and some of the truly disgusting al waigss surrounding it.

To you a lot. usually in the morning not at night. nice to see you without the bags under my eyes. >> after sunset. ? yes, after sunset. you have not seen any evidence of collusion yet. i also know, which maybe the president has missed, you've also said there may be a lot that you haven't seen. >> absolutely. >> and you've also said that robert mueller is a man of high integrity and you trust him to conduct a thorough investigation. >> yes. and i haven't changed my position. no, i've known john, as i think you know, bob mueller for a long time. i have questioned his judgment in terms of some o...