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To do. number two, number three, no one has said my son has done anything wrong and i did not on any occasion, and no one has ever said it -- >> i didn't say you were doing anything wrong. >> you said i set up my son to work at an oil company. isn't that what you said? get your words straight, jack. >> hear on msnbc all the time. >> you don't hear it on msnbc. >> i did. >> you didn't hear it at all. look, i'm not going to get into an argument with you, man. >> i don't have an argument with you. >> yeah, you do. look, here's the deal, here's the deal -- >> it looks like you don't have the backb...

Judge jeanine: what's the answer, charlie? >> in a 1998 treaty signed by president bill clinton. part of the treaty is ukraine and the united states share common knowledge about criminal investigations that are ongoing. it's part of a bilateral treaty. maybe the state department has information beyond what you and i have. ask the state department. maybe there is diplomacy happening that you and i may not seen. as soon as you see something that you don't understand, you think it white house committed a crime. judge jeanine: that's it. that's it. you have got to let the guy talk. you don't agree...

Judge jeanine: what's the answer, charlie? >> in a 1998 treaty signed by president bill clinton. part of the treaty is ukraine and the united states share common knowledge about criminal investigations that are ongoing. it's part of a bilateral treaty. maybe the state department has information beyond what you and i have. ask the state department. maybe there is diplomacy happening that you and i may not seen. as soon as you see something that you don't understand, you think it white house committed a crime. judge jeanine: that's it. that's it. you have got to let the guy talk. you don't agree...

Judge jeanine: what's the answer, charlie? >> in a 1998 treaty signed by president bill clinton. part of the treaty is ukraine and the united states share common knowledge about criminal investigations that are ongoing. it's part of a bilateral treaty. maybe the state department has information beyond what you and i have. ask the state department. maybe there is diplomacy happening that you and i may not seen. as soon as you see something that you don't understand, you think it white house committed a crime. judge jeanine: that's it. that's it. you have got to let the guy talk. you don't agree...

When michael cohen talks, it comes with a certain level of authority. and i think donald trump fundamentally knows that. if i were the chairman of the committee, i basically lean back and say, mr. cohen, have you seen any shady business at the trump organization? and let the guy talk. >> the president's friends said since cohen became a household name for those of us who covered this president, this was the guy, it wasn't mueller who kept trump up at night. it may now be. but at the time cohen eef's off were raided, people closest to the president said this is the guy, this is the guy who did ...