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But which one of the republican national candidates running for president is going to be willing to stand up and say, you know, i think this guy walker went too far in wisconsin. i think kasich is reaching too far. i'm going to distance myself and go more moderate. i don't think the republicans are going to do that. >> i don't either, ed. i think you're kind to, you know, say that it's great they're relentless. i think they're cruel. i think they're cruel, mean-spirited. they don't really care about people. they don't talk jobs, they don't talk about recovery. and they're bashing people at a t...

Issue which is, how can the democrats really take advantage of this. yes, there is overreach. the democrats, good people like sherrod brown will benefit. but how do we reset the debate to take into account what the vast majority of americans tell us they want in polls. which is a real focus on jobs and the economy, ed. not just balancing deficits. which by the way, they republican governors don't care about. they want to use that as a cover to bash labor and gut the middle class. >> in looking at the republicans right now, these governors are radical. and they have been focused, on point, and ...

National candidates running for president is going to be willing to stand up and say, you know, i think this guy walker went too far in wisconsin. i think kasich is reaching too far. i'm going to distance myself and go more moderate. i don't think the republicans are going to do that. >> i don't either, ed. i think you're kind to, you know, say that it's great they're relentless. i think they're cruel. i think they're cruel, mean-spirited. they don't really care about people. they don't talk jobs, they don't talk about recovery. and they're bashing people at a time when this country desperatel...

Benefits, would be willing to contribute more to their pensions, be able to make actual financial concessions if governor walker would essentially stop trying to break up the unions. if he would stop trying to take away collective bargaining rights. the governor rejected those terms. does that mean there's no room to negotiate at all? >> well, it means this isn't about the money for the governor, this is all about busting the union. that's all it has ever been for governor walker. the employees say the money isn't the issue. the money isn't the issue. the governor will get his money, will be a...

Most direct incentive you can possible imagine to use public policy to destroy unions. 36% of public employees are unionized? oh, no, that cannot stand. >> where the public unions all together, get rid of them. >> personally, i can't see this guy walker, yes. >> you would like to get rid of the unions. you don't believe in collective bargaining for employees, period? >> no, i don't think public employees need collective bargaining, that's correct. >> that's correct. public employees should not be in unions, says the republican state senator from wisconsin. democrats do not tend to think like t...