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Credibility. now what happens if the president takes action, what are the possibilities how washington could respond, what are the possibilities where bob mueller would respond. i don't have any doubt bob mueller knows what he would do in that situation. >> why do we think trump hasn't done it. the guy touches hot stoves and says i'll do it again. this one is all, it feels like it is all bluster. i understand were senate republicans are saying this is one of his soap boxes, we're not so worried about it. that's been the white house defense. he could have done this months ago and didn't. >> it ...

Mcgahn is now gone. i think it is worrisome. maybe he's i mpelled to hurry u or let whitaker do whatever curbing of the investigation whitaker will try to do. it is hard to do is the good news. and the justice department is a professional place. i don't think it is easy for whitaker to stroll in and give orders, they would resign in mass if he tried to corrupt the investigation, but we know what trump would like. >> eric swallow has an idea, house democrat from california, one of the 75 people thinking about running for president now. not kidding. bob casey jr. on the list today. usa today wit...

Tirade, and we don't quite yet know but think we do. >> well, we think that the special counsel mueller kept things quiet, didn't think he would do anything in the final weeks before the midterm elections. that's now over. the field is clear for him to do whatever it is he is going to do, and we certainly expect that to happen soon. it sounds like the president expects it to happen soon. >> it was a fascinating, if you read that interview, it is more reminders that the friendlier for the environment for the interview, the more trouble he gets into. he just says stuff. clearly the reporter is a...

Spy. so whitaker is the acting attorney general. and that's the state of play. the senate won't protect mueller. so far we have no insistence that whitaker recuse himself. you have no outcry among republicans that whitaker shouldn't be acting attorney general at all, leave aside the confirmation. he is acting attorney general of the united states of america. that's kind of an important job. you go to national security council meetings. >> you're on the national security council. >> right. thinking back to when i was there, you have a lot of responsibilities. he is running the justice departmen...

Investigation. does that quote, bill crystal, need to be delivered to mitch mcconnell? >> if you're the president of the united states and think an investigation in department of justice which ultimately reports to you is illegal, you probably are saying -- >> has he ordered the end of the investigation in your mind? >> no. but i am worried in this respect. what did he do, what is the first thing after election day, he accepted sessions' forced resignation. and people aren't aware how extraordinary this was, put whitaker as acting attorney general. rosenstein would have been next in line, that...