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>> jonathan, this isn't the first time the president showed switchiness on daca. he said we got to do something with heart, that was almost a year ago if february. he said. that as you watched the congressmen and the senators in that room. you saw kevin mccarthy to jump in to sort of correct the president, if there were a thought bubble over dick durbin's head sitting next to president trump, i would have loved to have seen it. he said when i came out of the meetings, my head was spinning. i don't know where the president stands, where this stands. i go those joe's point the question is, what ...

That information so much. she's pulling herself out of it. she said i wanted to talk about adoptions and, of course, that means that highly charged political issue of getting rid of the sanctions. >> we have 20 seconds left. what would the russians have learned from this meeting? what would the take away be? >> most critically, i think the russians would have taken away the important fact, the critical fact that somebody in the trump campaign, not just anybody, but somebody very close to the candidate and one of his direct family members that was willing to talk, willing to have that conversat...

Secretary or other officials will stand off to the side with reporters and take questions and answers, but not for television cameras. generally, not for audio or for radio people either. so it's a little bit of a hybrid. >> jenna: it is. is this something different? we want to explain to our viewers, it is a little different. joe, taking politics out of it. do you think this is a wise decision by the president and his communications team to do things a little bit differently? >> you know, i can't make heads or tails of it. i agree with chris it is a half step back. but i'm not sure how it's g...

Least a year and a half ago on this question is this going to be free market or whatever. i think people have accepted in the republican party that they believe that coverage is the job of the federal government. >> bill: did you hear ezekiel emanuel 30 minutes ago. he says paul ryan is the reason there is disruption in the insurance markets. can you back that up? >> no. that's stuff people say. he is right in the sense that insurance companies look at what is going on and say i'll take another half step back. the problems for this -- you talk about a pre-existing condition. the problems with ...

This wall project? >> it seems extremely unlikely. he'll need democratic votes to make something like that happen and the democrats have signaled they are not taking even a half step in that direction. the real challenge here, victor, he is trying to get all of this done before the hundred day deadline and somewhat artificial political construct. it's possible he could get the funding he wants for the wall if he can arrive at some kind of a compromise with democrats and members of the republican conference, but to put the additional pressure on that he has got to make some tangible movement on...