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Argument here. but what do you think? are they making a mistake? >> you know what, steve, i have interviews congresswoman sanchez, congressman cummings, who i think is a very compelling, arbitor for his own side. he's done a great job opposite darrell issa on the government reform committee, but i have not been persuaded, frankly, be i their arguments on by nancy pelosi's arguments is the best thing for democrats to do strategically was to be in the room to butt any falsehood coming out of the republicans and saying somebody has to be there to stand up for the witnesses. i got to tell you, i t...

Gene, i'll start with you. just watching that, what is your reaction from what you heard from senator rockefeller and senator johnson. >> i think what senator rockefeller said is true, number one. and number two, what i heard senator johnson do was the two things that effectively shut down any discussion of race. you called me a racist, you played the race card. senator rockefeller didn't call him a racist. he said he thinks race is a factor in the opposition to anything the president wants to do including the affordable care act. i think that's true and it's certainly something that should be...

Race has to do with the republicans' unyielding opposition to almost anything obama does. jay rockefeller made it clear where he stands. rockefeller who may feel unburdened because he's retiring at the end of the year said that some opposition to president obama's affordable care act stems from obama being, quote, the wrong color. here's senator rockefeller. >> i think it's very important to take a long view at what's gong on here. i'll be able to dig up the e-mails that make the affordable care act that doesn't look good. from people who have made up their mind that they don't want it to look...

Hunt. and then, i would use my skills and there are some very skilled lawyers that nancy pelosi has put on that committee, to point out the flaws in what they tried to do and to lead our witnesses in the right direction. that is very important. >> so, joy, he is making this point about, okay, bring up this issue of embassy -- funding for embassy securities and ham they're point at these hearings with all the media watchingsome there something to it? >> hammer it. hammer it. >> the governor, who i have great success for, mutual admiration society, just gave a brilliant case for the delauro solu...

Problems before he was even president obama. >> this memo prepared for president-elect transition team by the george w. bush administration outlined the difficulties veterans faced in claiming timely health care. >> proof, two things. one, this president hasn't done enough to end this backlog. and two, the previous president hadn't done enough to end the backlog. >> moving on to a gentleman's duel. yes, you heard me correctly. no, it's not 1804. on thursday, steve king of iowa took to the house floor to discuss immigration reform and laid down a gauntlet for democratic senator chuck schumer of...