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Be. rachel, they have no positive drug tests. how can mlb hand down such serious penalties without that? >> well, this is why watts happened this week is so important. you have this clinic that has already been proven to be handing out steroids to baseball players and now the founder of the clinic has said that he is willing to come in to major league baseball fully cooperate and start naming names, and baseball certainly hopes he will also bring with him some physical evidence because just a he said-he said isn't going to cut it here. these players will of course appeal these suspensions, so ...

Rosen alluded to it. what was the major mistake that both the congress people and senators made in interrogating the secretary? >> hand down, bill, this is decades old, probably century's old problem with congressional hearings. members of the congress, house and senate, used their question time to make speeches. >> bill: okay. >> rather than breaking new ground. >> bill: that was a mistake. i don't think it was the biggest. rosen do you have an opinion on what was the biggest mistake? >> they didn't do their homework. >> bill: i'm not sure about their homework. here is the biggest mistake. co...

It? >> bill: why was susan rice put out there by the obama administration and not you since you are the boss of the ambassador who was killed? that's an excellent question as well. so, all in all, you didn't learn much today, right? >> wop, i came away with deeper respect for hillary clinton's bureaucratic lawyerly. she was good and the republicans looked like wienies. >> bill: i still don't know what happened. i would like to have a narrative of what happened. >> i'm with you. that's the key to the story. once you know what happened. you can go back and correct the problem. hillary clinton is...

If they want to torture you you will be hanging by your ankles somewhere in the desert. that's the way they operate. the french algerian war, as you know student of history, colonel, one of the most brutal and that's carried over. algeria does not mess around. you though, it's interesting, you say they did the right thing that the algerians went in there. they solve the problem even though the loss of life was substantial at 38. >> well, yes, and this was clearly a carefully planned terrorist attacked. >> no doubt. maybe moved up because of french intervention in mali, it was planned for month...

>> bill: why was susan rice put out there by the obama administration and not you since you are the boss of the ambassador who was killed? that's an excellent question as well. so, all in all, you didn't learn much today, right? >> wop, i came away with deeper respect for hillary clinton's bureaucratic lawyerly. she was good and the republicans looked like wienies. >> bill: i still don't know what happened. i would like to have a narrative of what happened. >> i'm with you. that's the key to the story. once you know what happened. you can go back and correct the problem. hillary clinton is for...