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Pre-existing conditions. hoping to get the backing of conservatives like ted cruz. >> we started out with 48 hard nos. >> reporter: and moderates like maine's susan collins. >> i cannot support a bill that terminates insurance for 23 million people who need it. >> reporter: but collins says even she hasn't seen the senate's bill. neither is the man who will have to implement it. >> you haven't seen it either? >> my staff has provided technical assistance but i haven't seen it. >> we have no idea what's being proposed. there's a group of guys in a back room somewhere that are making these decis...

Incident as though it is totally separate from everything happening with the russia investigation -- >> by the way, the base part of, you know, trump's support, they love the fact he blames obama on this. >> sure. >> and they believe it. >> i'm sure, right. >> let's talk about what is going on capitol hill with healthcare. do you think there will be a vote, perry, on this mcarthur amendment, this compromise healthcare legislation, compromise within the conservatives and moderates within the republican caucus by saturday? >> no. i think they've been honest they're not sure they have it. i think...

Rubio and krooicruz while signs bill represented to nasa. >> it's a pretty tough job. i don't know, ted, would you like to do it? i don't think i would. marco, do you want to do it? >> you could send congress to space. >> that could be -- >> mike be allen is executive editor and annie link ski, reporter for "the globe." the numbers are bad for the republicans. 27 leaning towards no. >> 21 would k 1 would kill it. 17 hard nos. in the end what i'm told, it will pass because it will be very hard for these specific guys in these districts to say no to trump. >> but is it worse having spent two yea...

Bargain if you will, i want very grand, on this year's budge e. 63 republicans are members of the tea party caucus alone. right now, according to some folks on the hill that i've talked to, there are about 50 hard nos on the debt limit. think people like michele bachmann. >> we can't keep spending money that we don't have. that's why i fought against the wasteful bailout, against the stimulus. i will not vote to increase the debt ceiling. >> there are potentially another 25 soft nos, which would get them up to about 75 nos. and that brings the number of democrats needed closer to 50. now, boeh...