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They have to be in sync of the protocols involved and the policies that have been articulated in the past and that need to be promoted in the future. and so a lot of those -- there has to be a strong adherence to those protocols and an understanding of some of those dynamics before you can duck those calls. that's something that i think as they move from being a transition to an actual working on the west wing, they are going to have to get familiar with. >> go ahead. stand by, ari. i want to get mark in on this. >> we were talking about this earlier today. >> readout from the trump campaign c...

Back now with mark preston, david gergen, kevin madden and ari fleischer. ari said it broke protocol for them to print or put that transcript out. could it be, david, that they don't know what the protocol is or donald trump is not a protocol kind of guy? >> trump people didn't put it out. the pakistanis put it out. >> i understand that. but go ahead, david. >> but ari is absolutely right about the pakistanis, real reach of protocol to put it out. the fact is also that donald trump is not used to this. i think that normally a president would not -- he'd be nice, as ari said, but he would not g...

And says he doesn't want to be in the administration and it was only a month ago that they were talking about newt gingrich being the chief of staff for donald trump. and guess what, he's not. so i just think while he does raise a good point, it's a little too pointed for me. >> david, you agree that this is sour grapes? i saw you shaking your head in agreement. >> yeah, i do think it's sour grapes and i agree with ari up to a point which is why would romney accept this now and knowing that there are going to be vipers ready to strike if a mistake is made he'll be the first scapegoat. >> you t...